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just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidates are tied at 46. while it's unlikely returns on election day make it unlikely in this pew sample that romney has the upper hand. and looking inside the pew numbers, we're looking at an unlikely -- now romney leads by six, 50-44. will we see that same shift in the battleground state polls? we'll have to see what happened what happens. >> this is the last day for voters to register to vote there, that's why they're both there. romney kicks off a two-day ohio journey, he'll be back in ohio again on friday. meanwhile the president holds an evening rally at ohio state university in columbus. by the way romney starts his day on a family farm in central iowa. another midwestern battleground state. paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quo
just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidates are tied at 46. while it's unlikely returns on election day make it unlikely in this pew sample that romney has the upper hand. and looking inside the pew numbers, we're looking at an unlikely -- now romney leads by six, 50-44. will we see that...
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. >> the poll numbers for romney and ryan soaring after the first presidential debate. democrats openly counting on joe biden tonight to stop that republican momentum. >> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is arrive. >> the 2012 vice presidential debate starts right now. >>> happy debate night, everybody. the best television series of 2011 was the republican primary debates. there were 1 million of them. they played to huge audiences week after week and never disappointed. now it is october 2012 and the most compelling thing on television anywhere in the country is once again the debates. only now there are only two candidates at a time and the stakes are way higher. i'm rachel maddow. here on our msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm joined by ed schultz, reverend al sharpton, chris hayes, steve schmidt. lawrence o'donnell is our man in the spin room tonight. the one and only chris matthews is at centre college in danville, kentucky, the site of tonight's debate. chris, is this unusually high stakes for a vice presidential debate? >> well, it's great being with y
. >> the poll numbers for romney and ryan soaring after the first presidential debate. democrats openly counting on joe biden tonight to stop that republican momentum. >> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is arrive. >> the 2012 vice presidential debate starts right now. >>> happy debate night, everybody. the best television series of 2011 was the republican primary debates. there were 1 million of them. they played to huge audiences week after week and never...
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when we come back, jim cramer on the stocks going up faster than mitt romney's poll numbers because of mitt romney's poll numbers. >> up next, a republican with a different view of thou fix america's fiscal mess. david stockman served in the reagan administration but he's not talking tax cuts, quite the opposite. larry kudlow will take him on. we count you down to the vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy -- and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. we've shared what we've learned with governments and across the industry so we can all produce energy more safely. i want you to know, there's another commitment bp takes just as seriously: our commitment to america. bp supports nearly two-hundred-fifty thousand jobs in communities across the country. we hired three
when we come back, jim cramer on the stocks going up faster than mitt romney's poll numbers because of mitt romney's poll numbers. >> up next, a republican with a different view of thou fix america's fiscal mess. david stockman served in the reagan administration but he's not talking tax cuts, quite the opposite. larry kudlow will take him on. we count you down to the vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every...
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romney up by 4 points in the pew poll. in the swing states, mr. romney leading in colorado by 4. mr. obama leading in pennsylvania by 2, the right poll showing a tie in nevada. the president up in new hampshire by 6 points. and really the one poll we waited on all day, the one poll that might matter more than any other single piece of data, the one piece we got today, president obama holding on to a 4-point lead in ohio. let's poll this one out. this is a cnn number from this afternoon. barack obama with an edge of 4 points in ohio, which is just outside the margin of error. it's far less than the 9-point leads in the survey not long ago. i should say to democrats and obama supporters, i'm sorry if i unleashed those numbers on you with a mature content warning label. but my friend e.j. dionne will be with us later. he says, i was talking with an old friend who was one of the nonpartisan polling outfits. we were discussing the large shifts in some of the polls on the presidential election and the feedback he receives whenever he puts out new numbers that make one side or the other
romney up by 4 points in the pew poll. in the swing states, mr. romney leading in colorado by 4. mr. obama leading in pennsylvania by 2, the right poll showing a tie in nevada. the president up in new hampshire by 6 points. and really the one poll we waited on all day, the one poll that might matter more than any other single piece of data, the one piece we got today, president obama holding on to a 4-point lead in ohio. let's poll this one out. this is a cnn number from this afternoon. barack...
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some polls show romney up one or two. but the key is what happens in those eight or nine battleground states that are going to determine who gets the lek trorl votes. we saw it last week in our wall street journal poll in ohio. you had a huge advantage for obama in the early vote. we have seen that in other states like iowa. that doesn't necessarily mean the democrats will win the states. it could be they're harvesting the votes elier than republicans. but it's an indication that democrats put this a infrastructure in place while the primaries were going on. they're trying to capitalize on that now. >> so they're making up lost time in the ground game, you think? >> yes, of course they are. when you have the luxury of a primary in the beginning, you can see that this is very all the techniques that they have to reach out, identity the voters. republicans are playing catchup. however, in a race in cl mitt romney has developed momentum late, you can make up in momentum what you missed out on early in the organization. jacki
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the gallup poll, for instance, has romney doing five points better. other polls have that a little smaller. so it seems like obama would even today win an election if everyone registered to vote turned out or certainly all adults. but based on the republican enthusiasm advantage and some democrats, i think, feeling a little disupon dent after the pr performance in denver last week, that alone might be enough to push romney over the top. >> the special way that you sort of distill the candidate's chances at 538, your now cast factors in not just polling but also economic data and other measures that you think give you a percentage chance that one of the two candidates will win the election. what's the percentage chance you have for each of the candidates and has that changed less than the national polls changed? >> the percentage is a 70/30 advantage for obama. which, by the way, if you go to vegas or offshore versions of vegas, you can bet at about those odds. obama is a 70% favorite. but my site had obama as an 85% favorite before the debate. means r
the gallup poll, for instance, has romney doing five points better. other polls have that a little smaller. so it seems like obama would even today win an election if everyone registered to vote turned out or certainly all adults. but based on the republican enthusiasm advantage and some democrats, i think, feeling a little disupon dent after the pr performance in denver last week, that alone might be enough to push romney over the top. >> the special way that you sort of distill the...
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poll numbers improving. >> they're looking very good. i feel very good. >> reporter: after the debate, romney is within two points of the president. and tomorrow, both candidates head to ohio, battleground ohio, where early voting is already under way. tomorrow is the last day to register to vote there. veronica? >> thank you. mitt romney will deliver that major policy speech before noon eastern, but the obama campaign is issuing a preemptive strike with this new tv ad criticizing the republican candidate's past foreign policy faux pas. take a look. >> reckless. amateurish. that's what news media and fellow republicans called mitt romney's gaffe-filled july tour of england, israel, and poland, when our u.s. diplomats were attacked in libya, "the new york times" said romney's response showed an extraordinary lack of presidential character. >> the obama campaign said this will be romney's seventh speech on foreign policy. >>> venezuelan president hugo chavez gets to keep his job for another seven years, but his re-election came in the slim
poll numbers improving. >> they're looking very good. i feel very good. >> reporter: after the debate, romney is within two points of the president. and tomorrow, both candidates head to ohio, battleground ohio, where early voting is already under way. tomorrow is the last day to register to vote there. veronica? >> thank you. mitt romney will deliver that major policy speech before noon eastern, but the obama campaign is issuing a preemptive strike with this new tv ad...
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mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts both on the phone and door to door. as you noted, he's been there quite a number of times. i think we continue to make up grounds. some of the polls have it tied. so i think in the final weeks we'll continue to make this about a clear choice in the election and governor romney will take ohio. >> take us into the back room for a second. without ohio you need to run the board here. what are your internals showing on that? how do you get florida and virginia? those are looking good? >> florida and virginia are looking good. nevada is looking great. colorado is looking great. iowa and new hampshire is looking very good as well. so i think, a, as i mentioned, i think we're going to take ohio. b,
mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts both on the phone and door to door. as you noted, he's been there quite a number of times. i think we continue to...
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it appears that in one poll, in the pew poll, mitt romney is up against the president and in the gallup seven-day tracking poll, the president is up 50 to 45, if i have mitt romney's number right in that poll. this race has been, is, and will continue to be until election day a very close race. and so either side can take heart in a poll that shows his or her candidate being on top but, remember, this race is basically tied. >> now, the vice presidential debate, the one and only one, will be be this thursday night and paul ryan, the republican vice presidential nominee, was questioning his weekend on what he was doing to prepare for the debate. here's his response. >> how you feeling about the debate? >> what debate? oh, yeah. i better get ready for that. >> you know, i better get started. you just reminded me. no, it's going well. >> what are you looking for in that debate, marge, on thursday night? >> well, first of all, paul ryan should focus on explaining the math. that's something he dismissed when asked about it on fox news about a week or two ago. >> right. >> so he should now fi
it appears that in one poll, in the pew poll, mitt romney is up against the president and in the gallup seven-day tracking poll, the president is up 50 to 45, if i have mitt romney's number right in that poll. this race has been, is, and will continue to be until election day a very close race. and so either side can take heart in a poll that shows his or her candidate being on top but, remember, this race is basically tied. >> now, the vice presidential debate, the one and only one, will...
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a reuters poll found the president leads romney 59% to 39%. others say younger voters may be the target when president obama makes his second appearance to face political jokes from jon stewart on "the daily show." and bruce springsteen will sing at an obama rally in ohio, and bill clinton will be speaking at the event. >>> supporters of big bird who want to save "sesame street" are planning a million muppets march in washington only three days before the election. and now from the non-scientific file of predicting political winners, reuters reports that based on past elections, if ohio state wins its football game against illinois november 3rd, incumbents including the president could get a small boost on election day, but the opposite effected could happen from sharp attacks reducing votes in states like florida. huh? >>> and saturday night live took on the vice presidential debate making fun of joe biden's frequent laughs and interruptions and paul ryan's complaint about it. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up from lost ground
a reuters poll found the president leads romney 59% to 39%. others say younger voters may be the target when president obama makes his second appearance to face political jokes from jon stewart on "the daily show." and bruce springsteen will sing at an obama rally in ohio, and bill clinton will be speaking at the event. >>> supporters of big bird who want to save "sesame street" are planning a million muppets march in washington only three days before the election....
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here's to back it up, a tampa bay times/miami herald poll, a bigger romney lead. clearly, romney momentum. the obama campaign says it's not that big in florida but he's pulling up into at least a tie, maybe slightly ahead. that's not all. let's start out in the west. look at battleground state polls out here since the first debate. nevada on your left, colorado on your right. a dead heat in nevada, dead heat in colorado. romney's been doing well in the west holding his own. he's boosted his standing a bit since the first debate in the two battlegrounds out there. come over to the heartland, in the state of ohio, you see here, again, he was down a lot in wisconsin before the first presidential debate. that's paul ryan's home state. he's pulled into a statistical tie. this one's a bit more troublesome for the romney campaign. they are closer in ohio than before the first debate but still behind. the president has kept a small but steady lead in the state of ohio. that one's a bit of a problem for romney but he's at least closer from before the debate. after the deba
here's to back it up, a tampa bay times/miami herald poll, a bigger romney lead. clearly, romney momentum. the obama campaign says it's not that big in florida but he's pulling up into at least a tie, maybe slightly ahead. that's not all. let's start out in the west. look at battleground state polls out here since the first debate. nevada on your left, colorado on your right. a dead heat in nevada, dead heat in colorado. romney's been doing well in the west holding his own. he's boosted his...
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the latest polls, reuters has them tied. gallup has romney up by two. pew has him up by four. and we were talking about the polls in the balgtd ground states. it also now looks like according to other polls that pennsylvania and michigan may no longer be safe bets for the president. lynn. >> all right, thanks. last night on the rachel maddow show, nate silver talks about just how close the candidates are in the polls. >> the whole good month that obama had in september between the convention and the 47% tape, you're now seeing the race as close as it's been all year. i'm a little skeptical that it's actually tied based on the fact that obama still seems to on have a lead in the majority of swing state polls. but romney, who a week or two ago go looked like his campaign might be dead in the water, now is very, very close. maybe the debate was the october surprise, although it wouldn't be the first time that a challenger did really well in the first televised debate. >> every night rachel maddow takes on the biggest stories of the day. watch her at 9:00 eastern right here on msn
the latest polls, reuters has them tied. gallup has romney up by two. pew has him up by four. and we were talking about the polls in the balgtd ground states. it also now looks like according to other polls that pennsylvania and michigan may no longer be safe bets for the president. lynn. >> all right, thanks. last night on the rachel maddow show, nate silver talks about just how close the candidates are in the polls. >> the whole good month that obama had in september between the...
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governor romney has gained in the polls since that first debate. how will he try to build on that success? peter alexander has been covering the romney campaign, joins me live now from washington, d.c. pete, governor romney got to be a bit more confident going into this second debate. the format is a bit different though. a town hall formal. how is he preparing differently? >> it's a good question. we were traveling into boston from ohio with the campaign yesterday. this is about as loose and as confident as we have seen mitt romney throughout the entire cou course of this campaign. there's a sense the crowds are appreciating what he's saying, having witnessed what he did in that first debate with president obama. he faces unique challenges in this next debate on tuesday night outside of new york city at hofstra university. specifically, he will have to speak directly to the voters in the room with them, just a total of 80 voters. while he's done a lot of town halls, the campaign says he has practice at this, he hasn't had a lot of tough questions
governor romney has gained in the polls since that first debate. how will he try to build on that success? peter alexander has been covering the romney campaign, joins me live now from washington, d.c. pete, governor romney got to be a bit more confident going into this second debate. the format is a bit different though. a town hall formal. how is he preparing differently? >> it's a good question. we were traveling into boston from ohio with the campaign yesterday. this is about as loose...
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let me ask you about the latest polls because the pew poll now shows mitt romney ahead for the first time. these things could bounce around a little bit but certainly shows he has gained some advantage after that debate. >> well, i thought there was an interesting column by a fellow named nate silver 538 in "the new york times" plot s out how the elections have gone in the past. almost always when an incumbent president in the debate and a challenger does well which almost always happens the challenger goes up for a while in the polls but then goes back down. he think it would have much effect on the election and i tend to agree with him. >> that is if the candidate, if the president of the united states, comes back with a different game plan. what do you think he needs to do in the next debate he didn't do in the first debate? >> well, the bottom line is, i think that he is a fighter. i think he will come to the conclusion that he let romney get away with a little too much trying to be very presidential, and i don't think you'll see the same thing in the next debate. >> let's talk a
let me ask you about the latest polls because the pew poll now shows mitt romney ahead for the first time. these things could bounce around a little bit but certainly shows he has gained some advantage after that debate. >> well, i thought there was an interesting column by a fellow named nate silver 538 in "the new york times" plot s out how the elections have gone in the past. almost always when an incumbent president in the debate and a challenger does well which almost...
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he gave absolutely no specifics. >> polls are now split on romney's popularity. pugh has him up four points among likely voters. the positive jobs report gave president obama a five point boost. according to hispanic voters in california, president obama moves to ohio today claiming romney's debate performance was more style than substance. >> what was being presented wasn't leadership. that's salesmanship. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going to bring the hammer down on sesame street. >> the president has no new ideas. >> both vice-presidential candidates are practicing for thursday's debate. paul ryan is in florida after studying after four days in a woodsy virginia camp. vice president biden is at home in delaware focusing on ryan's speeches and his budget. >>> national hospital is reporting yet another death from the meningitis outbreak. if confirmed, it would be the fifth deadly case in tennessee. that is the ninth nationally. at least 105 people in nine states from minnesota to florida have been affected. the cdc now be
he gave absolutely no specifics. >> polls are now split on romney's popularity. pugh has him up four points among likely voters. the positive jobs report gave president obama a five point boost. according to hispanic voters in california, president obama moves to ohio today claiming romney's debate performance was more style than substance. >> what was being presented wasn't leadership. that's salesmanship. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going...
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people on twitter critique each poll. you have a run of romney polls that are good for him. people perceive patterns and random noise all the time. at the end of the day, if you digest everything with a coke of whiskey, whatever you want, you have time to add more perspective. we have more important and dramatic days with shifts in the race. most of the time, especially in the summer, it adds up to nothing. it was the same story, day after day after day. >> it was important to look at the average of polls. i think it's what happens at five thirty eight. there are other polls. i think one of the things i have to be careful of as consumers of polls is you can't trust a single or individual poll. gallup is doing a tracking poll, it's a trend. if you look at gallup and pugh, they found conflicting results by a difference of six percentage points. you can't trust any single poll. you have to go to the average. >> are we doing no more now that we have more polling? is it the case we have a more accurate sense because of a larger body of data, we can average it out, sitting here 25
people on twitter critique each poll. you have a run of romney polls that are good for him. people perceive patterns and random noise all the time. at the end of the day, if you digest everything with a coke of whiskey, whatever you want, you have time to add more perspective. we have more important and dramatic days with shifts in the race. most of the time, especially in the summer, it adds up to nothing. it was the same story, day after day after day. >> it was important to look at the...
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three days of polling after the debate, take a look, romney polling even with the president, erasing a five-point deficit. but then friday's strong jobs report could turn that around. i'm joined now by gallup poll editor in chief frank newport. frank, good to see you. good morning. >> good morning! >> okay, so, let me know what you think. how's the race shaping up? how much have we seen? how much have you been able to poll up to this point? >> boy, we're studying the numbers. in fact, we're just looking at the numbers from last night, which we're adding to our rolling average which we will report out at 1:00 today at gallup.com. our view of the race is that romney definitely got a significant boost on thursday and friday of last week. and by the way, that's probably what was picked up for the most part in that pew poll that was discussed. >> okay. >> but when we monitor our data from saturday and sunday, and now just looking at the numbers from last night, obama is picking back up again. so, we think that that continuation of a huge move by romney is not in the data. so, overall, we
three days of polling after the debate, take a look, romney polling even with the president, erasing a five-point deficit. but then friday's strong jobs report could turn that around. i'm joined now by gallup poll editor in chief frank newport. frank, good to see you. good morning. >> good morning! >> okay, so, let me know what you think. how's the race shaping up? how much have we seen? how much have you been able to poll up to this point? >> boy, we're studying the numbers....
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. >> hey, peter, according to that latest poll, romney down just a few points there behind president obama in ohio, inching closer by the day. what's different about the romney campaign strategy in the buckeye state right now versus that strategy maybe say two weeks ago? >> reporter: i think it's pretty clear that romney feels much more confident. he feels much more loose as he interacts with voters and delivers his stump speech. it's because of that debate performance about ten days or sore now. when we were on the trail for months, craig, it was very clear that people were here because they did not like president obama. increasingly they're here because they believe mitt romney is the guy that can beat him and lead this country. whether it's strategic or not, that's the biggest take away. stay technologically on the ground they're flooding ohio and other swing states with advertising, spending, restore our future. that's the primary super pac that has been supporting mitt romney from the start. there's some reporting today that they're now spending $14 million across nine swing sta
. >> hey, peter, according to that latest poll, romney down just a few points there behind president obama in ohio, inching closer by the day. what's different about the romney campaign strategy in the buckeye state right now versus that strategy maybe say two weeks ago? >> reporter: i think it's pretty clear that romney feels much more confident. he feels much more loose as he interacts with voters and delivers his stump speech. it's because of that debate performance about ten...
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mitt romney and barack obama really neck and neck whether you're looking at the national polls or the battleground state polls. >> yeah, that's right. there's no question about it, joe. and you can see that the -- as we've gotten a little bit further away from that first debate where president obama performed so poorly, you can see that the lingering effects of it have been a little less than we might have thought before. there's no question mitt romney helped himself a little bit in terms of his likability, in terms of conservative and republican enthusiasm. the race in terms of the national numbers with back to being, as you said, joe, a jump ball. i keep looking at that ohio number at the end. when you think about the closer we get to election day, the more we have to think about what are the paths to 270 electoral votes. that ohio number at five is still a big problem for romney if he's going to try to get all the way there. >> richard wolffe, the bottom line is if mitt romney cannot win ohio, and at this point you've got early voting going in, absentee voting going in, that's hap
mitt romney and barack obama really neck and neck whether you're looking at the national polls or the battleground state polls. >> yeah, that's right. there's no question about it, joe. and you can see that the -- as we've gotten a little bit further away from that first debate where president obama performed so poorly, you can see that the lingering effects of it have been a little less than we might have thought before. there's no question mitt romney helped himself a little bit in...
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a post-debate poll released this afternoon from reuters found that 42% thought joe biden won the debate. 35% said paul ryan and 23% were not sure. rush limbaugh is sure. he knows exactly who to blame for those poll results showing joe biden winning. >> i you had told you it was in the card and preedictable ryan knew it. it isn't an excuse. you can get mad and say it is unfair but everybody else thought it was unfair and ruined. everybody thought it was a stacked deck. some of you may wish that ryan would have been feistier and not let him run all over him. my guess is he doesn't debate much. let biden be who we know he is going to be and realize you are in a two against one situation. >> nait nate silver forecast on president obama will win 283 and mitt romney will win 285 and. joining me are ezra klein and crystal ball. rush's job, is to counsel the depressed after last night's debate. what to you make of his raddics, the unfair referee argument? i'm having trouble thinking of where she jumped in there to help joe biden. >> here's the other thing. the winning team doesn't complain abou
a post-debate poll released this afternoon from reuters found that 42% thought joe biden won the debate. 35% said paul ryan and 23% were not sure. rush limbaugh is sure. he knows exactly who to blame for those poll results showing joe biden winning. >> i you had told you it was in the card and preedictable ryan knew it. it isn't an excuse. you can get mad and say it is unfair but everybody else thought it was unfair and ruined. everybody thought it was a stacked deck. some of you may wish...
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>> these polls would have tightened -- >> no, no, no. >> if mitt romney wins -- >> if mitt romney wins, you can at least say this of the first debate. it stopped the hemorrhaging. if he doesn't end up winning the election for him, at least it keeps the race competitive for another 24 days, which is great for us. >> you know what's interesting to me is i watched mitt romney, and i felt like he was extremely comfortable in that debate. >> he was. for the first i'm. >> why is it that it's the first time? >> you tell me. >> what are his advisers telling him? >> i think mitt romney is so calculating, and he's such a driven guy, i think he's always being safe. and i think he understood his advisers told him and i think we saw the real romney. >> you, look, you've said this all along, he's a terrible, terrible politician. >> horrible. >> horrible. the most awkward person i've ever seen, in person, and on stage. he's awkward even in person on the campaign trail. we've met him many times on his own. he's like awkward in a goober nice way. like a goober. he's a nice guy. he's a goober. >> we lik
>> these polls would have tightened -- >> no, no, no. >> if mitt romney wins -- >> if mitt romney wins, you can at least say this of the first debate. it stopped the hemorrhaging. if he doesn't end up winning the election for him, at least it keeps the race competitive for another 24 days, which is great for us. >> you know what's interesting to me is i watched mitt romney, and i felt like he was extremely comfortable in that debate. >> he was. for the first...
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first a "washington post"/abc news poll that had president obama up 49% to 46% over mitt romney among likely voters. there was a george washington poll that had closer, 49% for president obama and 48% for mitt romney among likely voters. that's the situation into the second presidential debate, the town hall format in hofstra in new york. >> the daily gallup tracking poll shows likely voter, obama 48% and romney 46%. i think it was friday, mark, you and i were talking about or thursday the numbers and polling. for analysts like yourself is where you expected the race to be at this time? >> right. in fact, we actually expected the race to be before we saw president obama with that very big surge he had after the democrat democrat democratic convention and after weeks of focus on the 47% remark. we came back to where we were at the very end of august right before the political conventions all kicked off. almost promising a very tight race, similar perhaps to 2004 between john kerry and george w. bush and even 2000 that close contest between george w. bush and al gore. >> we're going to
first a "washington post"/abc news poll that had president obama up 49% to 46% over mitt romney among likely voters. there was a george washington poll that had closer, 49% for president obama and 48% for mitt romney among likely voters. that's the situation into the second presidential debate, the town hall format in hofstra in new york. >> the daily gallup tracking poll shows likely voter, obama 48% and romney 46%. i think it was friday, mark, you and i were talking about or...